出售伊拉克Iraq for Sale The War Profiteers
Documentary portraying the actions of U.S. corporate contractors in the U.S.-Iraq war. Interviews with employees and former employees of such companies as Halliburton, CACI, and KBR suggest that government cronyism is behind apparent “sweetheart” deals that give such contractors enormous freedom to profit from supplying support and material to American troops while providing little oversight. Survivors of employees who were killed discuss the claim that the companies cared more for profit than for the welfare of their own workers, and soldiers indicate that the quality of services provided is sub-standard and severely in contradiction to the comparatively huge profits being generated. 更多介绍…
1、he’d gotten the front door open and he was in his walker.
2、And I’m getting ready for work and he’s hauling tail down this hill,
3、heading for the playground.
4、And it just totally stunned me.
5、And he, he was like that for the rest of his life,
6、he was always running.
7、Scotty went into the Navy on his 17th birthday.
8、He loved being a SEAL.
9、Woo, oh, what’s this falling down business?
10、As far as Scotty going to Iraq, he chose Blackwater
11、because they had a two month contract and uh,
12、Scotty wasn’t gonna have to be away from his kids very long.
13、He needed to make some money.
14、My son called me and he told me that he was going to Kuwait
15、with Paul Beemer the um, ambassador in Iraq.
16、I still have little soldiers in a shoebox that he used to play with.
17、Those uh, were his favorite toys.
18、- There are the boys. – What?
19、This is Jerry and this is Tommy.
20、That’s my favorite picture, por-,
21、I took it, that’s uh, four or five-
22、And Jerry always carried it with him, always.
23、Wherever Jerry went he had a pic-, that picture with him.
24、That was my Jerry.
25、Then came my Tommy, then my niece Anita,
26、then my nephew Yura, then Lydia-
27、Notice everything’s my Tommy and my Jerry.
28、I love that.
29、Well, he was um, yeah, he was the first born uh, uh,
30、everything I knew about kids I learned with him.
31、You know, and for him.
32、The news came out on the radio and uh,
33、it said that there was an incident in Fallujah.
34、Breaking news story tonight.
35、The four American civilians were ambushed and killed in Fallujah,
36、and they’re believed to be
37、from a local company called Blackwater Security Counseling.
38、There are four families uh, in this world today
39、that are gonna get knocks on the doors,
40、and you don’t want to be on either side of that door when it happens,
41、either hearing the news or delivering the news.
42、Reality didn’t check in, I didn’t want to believe it.
43、I still don’t want to believe it, but the fact is,
44、he’s not walking the earth, I need to pray for his soul.
45、I um, I, I miss him.
46、I was so angry.
47、I was so unbelievably angry,
48、and I didn’t even know what had happened,
49、but I was just angry that my son had died.
50、The people that did this horrible thing,（更多，甚至整个剧本阅读请点击下面链接。）
51、these Iraqi insurgents or maybe they were just kids on the street,
52、they were taught hatred for anyone that didn’t represent
53、what they had been taught to believe in.
54、And I found it so hard to hate them,
55、but when I found out what Blackwater did,
56、that’s when I started really feeling real –
57、I, I, I don’t know how to say it.
58、The vehicles should’ve been armored and they also should’ve had, h-, s-, saws,
59、which, heavy, belt fed machine guns in each vehicle,
60、which they didn’t have.
61、There were supposed to be three individuals in each car,
62、they pulled off two guys to do,
63、from what I was told, clerical work-
65、So they sent them out, short two men.
66、Their contracts list that they were to know where they’re going,
67、and they were to know people that they’re working with-
68、And uh, and had been there before-
69、And had been there before, so they-
70、Because, if they had had an armored vehicle,
71、if they had had the rear gunman,
72、he was the one that was gonna protect them.
73、My son is not walking the earth because people
74、that he trusted and worked for did not care about him.
75、It was the mighty dollar, that’s all that they cared about.
76、They know, knowingly skimped on the mission.
77、They cut corners left and right.
78、Shame for country, shame for Blackwater,
79、shame for you, Blackwater.
80、What happened to them while they were with this company,
81、company, not the American military,
82、this company, had responsibilities that they didn’t live up to.
83、And our family members died be-, because of that.
84、The most dangerous city on earth,
85、no rear gunner, no armored vehicles, not even a map.
86、That’s, to me, negligent homicide.
87、They were just numbers for them.
88、Just people who they can bill for.
89、This is a situation that was in the front page of the news
90、that was leading various network broadcasts for several days.
91、And how that company manages that challenge
92、will really dictate the future of that company.
93、The first thing, the first focus has to be for any company
94、that finds itself in a,
95、in the type of crisis that Blackwater found itself in, is
96、what do we need to do
97、to preserve the financial business future of this company.
98、This is a company who’s success,
99、economic success is completely contingent upon funding
100、from the U. S. government.
101、Within the first 24 hours,
102、Blackwater had hired a DC lobbying firm
103、called Alexander Strategies Group.
104、ASG is one of those small handfull of firms in 2004 uh,
105、that was part of the republican conservative club.
106、Blackwater itself, in particular, CEO and found, Eric Prince,
107、has long standing ties to the conservative movement,
108、particularly on the uh, Christian Coalition side,
109、had been very generous with his campaign contributions over the years.
110、He and his family contributed over two million dollars
111、to republican candidates and the Republican Party.
112、I really don’t want to talk to you, okay?
114、I want to ask you some questions about your men in Fallujah,
115、what happened there, sir?
116、Fallujah happens the last day of March,
117、within 24 or 48 hours after that, they’re literally on the hill,
118、meeting with some of the most powerful members of congress,
119、who really were gonna dictate
120、what was gonna happen to this company in terms of its funding.
121、They went to John Warner, who was the chair of
122、the Armed Services Committee on the senate side.
123、They went to Duncan Hunter,
124、who was a congressman from San Diego,
125、who was the chair of the Armed Services Committee
126、on the house side.
127、They met with Rick Santorum,
128、who is chair of the Republican Senate Conference Committee,
129、which is a very, very powerful post.
130、Contractors are among those who have been taken hostage,
131、they’ve also suffered terribly;
132、injuries and loss of life, the most horrific of
133、which occurred on April 13 of this year,
134、Madam President, when the bodies of four contractors were burned,
135、mutilated, and hung from a bridge in Iraq.
136、Should we step up and try and do something about that problem.
137、Uh, we will have to have very
138、vigorous opposition to this amendment
139、as it is presently drawn.
140、The Blackwater strategy worked very, very well.
141、They went to Washington,
142、they stopped any investigation from taking place.
143、And at the end of the day,
144、as a result of their action, they were able to protect their business.
145、They went out and they retained former high ranking uh,
147、Cofer Black, who was a high ranking official
148、at the Central Intelligence Agency, Joseph Schmitz,
149、who was the Inspector General at the Pentagon.
150、And undoubtedly, when you go out
151、and you retain high ranking officials like that,
152、they certainly are helpful in attracting new business,
153、pursuing new business uh, and getting new contracts.
154、Within a year after the Fallujah incident,
155、they had received over 200 million dollars
156、in new government contracts.
157、People in Washington who leave government
158、and go to work in lucrative jobs in the defense industry,
159、they have connections, they have influence.
160、Business boomed, they just
161、built a brand new headquarters.
162、That’s a big expansion.
163、It’s a, it’s a rather big expansion,
164、but it’s needed uh, uh,
165、certainly we’ve left room for growth.
166、Right, 8,000 square feet in the original building,
167、64,000 square feet here.
168、The company says it
169、can assemble hundreds of battle-ready men,
170、a small private army at a moments notice.
171、Teams of Blackwater independent contractors
172、are deployed around the world.
173、Instead of mourning my son’s death and the other three men,
174、they go and they profiteer off of it.
175、They were cutting every possible corner to make more money for them.
176、In Iraq, most of the men aren’t getting the protection.
177、Men over there working for
178、Blackwater are still dying.
179、The world really needs to know what’s going on over there.
180、And we need to stop it.
181、There has to be accountability.
182、Right now they are literally getting away with murder.
183、Companies should not be permitted
184、to operate in a war zone and not be held accountable.
185、I was reading the bible in Greek and Hebrew
186、and studying those languages.
187、And Hebrew sort of led naturally into Arabic.
188、I was also interested in student loan repayment,
189、I, I owed a you know, upwards of uh,
190、$40,000 dollars in student loans,
191、which the army promised to repay.
192、The option available to me was to get a secret clearance
193、and become an interrogator.
194、And I agreed, this was pre-9/11,
195、I didn’t really expect I’d have to interrogate someone,
196、or imagined if I did it would’ve been in a conventional war uh,
197、where things would’ve been very different.
198、I found out um, in April of 2003 uh, by a phone call.
199、They said, well the good news is, congratulations,
200、you’ve been selected for promotion to Brigadier General.
201、So I said, well that’s good news,
202、what, what could possibly be the bad news.
203、And he said, well the bad news is, you’re unit uh,
204、you’ll be commanding is assisting the prisons experts
205、with the restoration of prisons for all of Iraq.
206、Um, and they’re already deployed.
207、And I said, well, can I go?
208、And there was just a second of silence on the other end of the telephone,
209、and he said, you want to go?
210、I received a telephone call um, from a Mr. Saller.
211、He said uh, can you help me, he said,
212、the Americans took my money and they hurt me very bad um,
213、and I just came from Abu Ghraib.
214、He told me of one incident where um, uh, you know, he was uh,
215、stripped nude and um,
216、they tied a rope to his penis uh, with 7 or 8 other men.
217、And then they would um,
218、these were American personnel he’s telling me.
219、Um, and they would push one man
220、and all of them would fall and then,
221、and they’d be joking and laughing and mocking him.
222、I would ask him, who is doing this to you, Mr. Saller?
223、And he would say, well, they were, they were two types of people,
224、one was dressed some type of military personnel wear in the Army.
225、And then the other type would be in civilian clothing.
226、I go, what do you mean, civilian clothing?
227、He goes like, normal pants, like uh, any normal pants and a normal shirt.
228、So that’s the first time when it struck me that
229、there’s another element being involved here in Abu Ghraib.
230、Another type of person there.
231、When I saw the photographs for the first time,
232、and I said to the commander
233、of the criminal investigation division,
234、who was showing them to me.
235、Um, I said,
236、why are the translators around the prisoners,
237、why are, why are the translators in the cell block?
238、And he said, ma’am, those aren’t translators,
239、those are CACl Interrogators.
240、CACl was hired by the department of interior out of a little
241、town in Arizona called Sierra Vista.
242、And they were hired to do database work.
243、And that contract, which was sort of a blanket contract,
244、that allowed them to do a whole bunch of different things,
245、was used to do interrogation at Abu Ghraib.
246、So what ostensibly was a contract
247、to do clerical work or IT work,
248、turned out to be getting information,
249、not from a computer, but from human beings in uh,
250、a notorious prison in Iraq.
251、At the time of the scandals, in the spring of 2004,
252、roughly 50 percent of the interrogators were private contractors.
253、This amendment uh, Madame President,
254、attempts to address what I believe is
255、a very legitimate and serious concern,
256、that have come to light in recent uh, days,
257、with respect to the use of,
258、or misuse of contractors and
259、the treatment of detainees in Iraq.
260、Quite simply, Madam President uh,
261、this amendment would
262、prohibit the use of contractors
263、in interrogations of prisoners
264、and in offensive military operations.
265、It just seems to me, abundantly clear
266、that we can not hire private contractors
267、to perform a function as gover-,
270、indeed, inherently explosive,
271、and for which there must be accountability,
272、as is the interrogation of prisoners.
273、Corporations exist to make a profit.
274、And in, when they are hired to do uh, jobs,
275、whether it’s the provision of water, or the you know,
276、interrogation of prisoners,
277、their job is to get as much work as possible
278、and make as much profit as possible.
279、Now that doesn’t work in the field of intelligence, period.
280、You do not put personnel
281、who do not have allegiance and 100 percent loyalty to uh,
282、um, um, America um, you do not put them in sensitive um,
283、key government um, activities, like military intelligence gathering.
284、It creates a conflict too because we were uncertain uh,
285、you know, we knew what our chain of command was,
286、that was very clear,
287、and we were forced to memorize it and follow it.
288、But what’s the CACl chain of command?
289、There was a wink and a nod approach.
290、We have these rules, you’re gonna follow them,
291、but we’re not gonna spend that much time making sure
292、that you’re gonna follow them.
293、And if I don’t know about what’s going on,
294、then I can um, you know, have plausible deniability.
295、A contractor is safely in an office in the United States somewhere.
296、So no direct supervision.
297、And to just simply say, well I, I guess they got out of control,
298、I don’t know what,
299、where they were taking their instructions from.
300、It seems to excuse all of them.
301、I have reproduced an excerpt from the job posting,
302、as it was reprinted in the Washington Post on May 10th,
303、on the poster here behind me.
304、And let me read it for you, it says,
305、under minimal supervision will assist, and goes on.
306、Key words, under minimal supervision.
307、In 2003, the Pentagon essentially panicked
308、and a very desperate Secretary of Defense did
309、whatever he had to do very,
310、very quickly to try to get more intelligence.
311、If that meant running out and hiring a bunch of contractors
312、who didn’t know what they were doing,
313、and putting them wrongly into the chain of command of mit-,
314、military intelligence, that’s what they did.
315、They were desperate.
316、The contracting business in Iraq
317、is very, very lucrative.
318、There was so much money being
319、given away over there to contractors.
320、I mean there were,
321、there were jobs that didn’t even need to be there.
322、Uh, you know, we’d go into the tent to use our,
323、our internet, and the woman
324、who would put my name down to assign me
325、to a computer would be a civilian contractor
326、who was making six figures to be over there.
327、Why is she there?
328、Why are we paying this woman to do this?
329、They threw so much money at these people, they can’t refuse.
330、I mean, if you’re a mechanic,
331、and you’re making like 20 or 30 thousand,
332、and someone offers you a 100,000 a year, tax free, to go to Iraq,
333、and that’s, that’s hard, I think that’s really hard to refuse.
334、They would very often sit down with soldiers,
335、particularly from reserve or national guard,
336、and say, hey man, you know, what are you making,
337、$3,000 dollars a month over here?
338、You know, I make that in a week.
339、You would talk about how you know, in,
340、in, in 8 more months I’m gonna be out of here
341、and I’m gonna be making 140 grand.
342、It certainly affected retention because I don’t know,
343、I don’t know why any,
344、any military person would reenlist to do the same job
345、when they could get out of the military and make you know,
346、six times the money and uh, and do the same job.
347、There was a uh, um, a little uh,
348、phrase that we threw around um, food for freedom.
349、That if, if you wanted to get paid more,
350、you should start eating more
351、so that you’d get booted out for being overweight.
352、And um, it’s an honorable discharge and it w-,
353、it would boost your, uh, your pay,
354、or your net worth by about five times.
355、Um, if you were to do such a thing. And um, and it worked.
356、I was getting really angry,
357、I mean, especially because I knew that a lot of these prisoners that I saw uh,
358、with these injuries from, from abuse and torture,
359、really hadn’t done anything, they weren’t part of the insurgency,
360、they were just picked up for no reason at all.
361、We were interrogating taxi drivers
362、and you know, like pizza delivery guys.
363、Um, it was just, you know,
364、we called them “Average Achmed. ”
365、Using methods such as torture
366、and also using people who are not qualified to do this job,
367、has resulted in bad information and therefore uh,
368、problems for national security and for the soldiers,
369、because you’re, you’re getting information that’s no good.
370、In a lot of areas where
371、you start noticing a lot of you know,
372、a, a lot of hostility against American soldiers,
373、it’s not because the soldiers are doing a lot of wrong things,
374、it’s because sometime maybe they’re communication
375、that had been transmitted to them,
376、has been transmitted to them wrongly,
377、unprofessionally and serving someone’s else interest.
378、These are Titan linguists, they were hired by Titan.
379、Titan has long standing contracts,
380、providing critical information technology
381、and support services for some of
382、our nations most valuable defense assets.
383、Under a contract with
384、the U. S. Army’s intelligence
385、and security command
386、Titan has over 4,000 linguists
387、that provide invaluable
388、mission critical services.
389、Titan is the company
390、that provides the linguists
391、and continues to provide
392、the linguists throughout Iraq.
393、They’re the biggest provider
394、in this business.
395、They were so desperate to get people to fill these positions as
396、translators, that they were just hiring anybody that uh,
397、approached somebody and obviously had command of the English language
398、in addition to the Arabic language or Farsi,
399、or whatever it may have been.
400、There was people who maybe spoke the language,
401、but it was broken, but could not read it or write it.
402、And I’m talking about English.
403、And they were hired, they were never given a test,
404、no one was given a test, I was never given a test.
405、The test I was given was
406、a phone conversation for a minute.
407、Military trusted us, military trusted Titan.
408、Titan came and said, here’s a linguist that we have hired,
409、we have trained, tested, we put our trust in,
410、he passed the security clearance or he got some kind of a clearance.
411、You should trust him,
412、everything he does, everything he say.
413、I did work closely with Titan all year long
414、while I was in Iraq uh,
415、and I can say that a lot of the, the translators weren’t trained at all.
416、I don’t, I don’t know what kind of training they received,
417、but they were, they were terrible at it.
418、There was no managers, there was no supervision,
419、there was no training, there was no follow-up.
420、There was whatsoever,
421、a system of evaluation of what linguists are doing or h-,
422、what they’re doing.
423、Even a system of if these linguists really translating,
424、or doing, or really, are they translating,
425、or giving their opinions.
426、Titan made the big bucks
427、and hired the most incompetent people most of the time,
428、did not follow up with them,
429、did not really know what they were doing.
430、Probably as a result a lot of people got hurt,
431、a lot of people got killed,
432、American life got lost because someone wants to make money
433、and wants to have a fat check in his pocket.
434、Here you have the M. P. ‘s, who engaged and participated in,
435、in horrific conduct, are being held accountable for their actions,
436、why aren’t the U. S. contractors, the civilian corporate personnel,
437、why aren’t they being held accountable for their actions?
438、If you are a U. S. soldier
439、and you hurt an Iraqi civilian and that becomes known,
440、you will be court marshaled.
441、But if you are a U. S. contractor and you kill an Iraqi civilian
442、and that becomes known, you will be sent home.
443、And then you can come back the following week
444、and you can work for a different contractor.
445、So here we have the two ring leaders of abuser at Abu Ghraib,
446、very explicitly saying in s-, in many cases, what was happening,
447、was they were being ordered to
448、abuse these detainees by civilian contractors.
449、These guys are in prison for 18 years total uh,
450、between the two of them, and there’s no contractors in prison.
451、Uh, my question is regar-,
452、is in regards to private military contractors.
453、The uniform code of military justice
454、does not apply to these contractors in Iraq.
455、I asked your Secretary of Defense a couple months ago,
456、what law governs their actions.
457、Um, it’s the wrong s-
458、I was gonna ask him, go ahead.
459、Help, I was gonna, I pick up the phone and say,
460、Mr. Secretary, I got an interesting question.
461、This is what delegation,
462、I don’t mean to be dodging the question,
463、although it’s kind of convenient in this case,
464、but never, I really will, uh, I’m gonna call the secretary and say,
465、you brought up a very valid question and what are we doing about it.
466、Is, that’s how I work. I’m uh, um, thanks. Yes, ma’am.
467、Are any of these allegations
469、There uh, my recollection is,
470、and I think it’s okay to say this is that the investigations
471、are ongoing and that uh, time will tell.
472、Somehow these contractors have leveraged power
473、in Washington and the government
474、feels like they want to protect these people and they,
475、they want to protect these,
476、the security of these contracts and they want to s-,
477、protect um, them from prosecution.
478、Most of the managers and most of the,
479、the people we dealt with working for Titan
480、were ex-military officers, high ranking officers.
481、All major military contractors
482、have a board of directors
483、and a senior management
484、that is composed of senior retired
486、and this allows them to be able to go get contracts.
487、Washington is a phenomenally incestuous place.
488、Retired senior officers,
489、capital hill staffers, and defense industry.
490、You know, the usual suspects
491、come back again and again.
492、Top recipients of money from
493、Halliburton, Titan, CACl, and Blackwater,
494、are the two chairmen of the committees in congress
495、and the house of representatives that oversee military matters in spending.
496、The major corporations, these cartel and monopoly corporations,
497、they’ve figured out how to legally buy influence.
498、I would echo the words of Pope John Paul the second,
499、profit by itself is not a sufficient motivation for business endeavors.
500、You’re operating in the realm of greed,
501、you’re not operating in the realm of morality.
502、I went to Iraq and I came back.
503、What’s so heartbreaking was that I found that we weren’t,
504、that we weren’t always the good guys,
505、and it was very disillusioning for me.
506、’Cause I had grown up with this
507、like dream of America,
508、what America was.
509、And when I saw that dream at Abu Ghraib and,
510、and what it had become,
511、I felt heartbroken,
512、I felt like I didn’t know what it was to be an American
513、because I saw what I had thought America was destroyed and disgraced.
514、When they went into Iraq, a subsidiary of Halliburton,
515、which is KBR, Kellogg, Brown, and Root,
516、was on the scene immediately.
517、They were logistics people, they were mechanics,
518、and they were also contracted to begin
519、the process of setting up shower points,
520、laundry facilities, mess halls, dining facilities,
521、really searching for any opportunity to take on
522、what would be traditionally military roles.
523、When you use these contractors, you gain a lot of efficiencies,
524、you gain a lot of expertise and, and, and specialization.
525、It was devastating,
526、’cause they took over my job, I ended up doing nothing.
527、We had to train these KBR contractors how to fix these radios.
528、We had to walk them through all the basic steps.
529、But when I could be actively becoming a better uh,
530、soldier and becoming more proficient in my job,
531、instead I’m gonna sit up on guard duty to b-,
532、wait around while KBR contractors are doing the job that
533、I had to train them to do.
534、Across the board people lost their jobs.
535、Quartermaster companies, mechanic,
536、any logistics soldiers were involved with,
537、their jobs were outsourced to KBR.
538、If you don’t know KBR, you have never been to Iraq,
539、because KBR is everywhere in Iraq.
540、You have hundreds,
541、if not thousands of these trucks driving north and south
542、on these roads every day,
543、bringing supplies to other military bases.
544、Most of the people who were driving for Kellogg, Brown,
545、and Root, were foreign workers.
546、They were from Pakistan and uh, Nepal, India.
547、Sometimes there would be Americans driving the trucks, U. S. civilians.
548、I heard about the job though uh,
549、another truck driver friend in Calexico, California.
550、We were sitting there waiting for a load, and he told me,
551、this is his last load and he was going overseas.
552、From there you know, I sent my resume in.
553、I thought I was really gonna be
554、doing a lot of reconstruction in Iraq uh, as far as uh,
555、well I could see my hauling fuel maybe to a,
556、a, a place that had loaders and dozers, you know.
557、We never went to go be in a battle or fight a fight,
558、uh, we went to take care of our families
559、and make some money, to reconstruct Iraq.
560、Tony and I met in ’79 at a Halloween party,
561、it was kind of a blind meeting and uh,
562、we were married less than a year later.
563、His brother was in the Navy
564、and so he always wished that he had done something like that,
565、but he’s just a good old boy.
566、He thought it was such a great cause to go and help rebuild
567、and got a job with Halliburton
568、and he was gonna go drive a truck in Iraq.
569、Within a month, he was there.
570、I was uh, 15 when I met Steve, first time.
571、And a good friend of ours introduced us at a fair they had.
572、And uh, we just hit it off.
573、He got out of the fiberglass business in Michigan
574、and eventually ended up truck driving.
575、Steve decided to go over there to get us financially
576、set for not only retirement but to you know,
577、help three kids go through college.
578、He would take on anything
579、if he thought that it would benefit his family.
580、He wasn’t military, he was non-combatant,
581、he was a driver, he went over there to help rebuild Iraq,
582、and that’s what he wanted to do.
583、When I woke up early that morning, it was about,
584、I’d say about 4:30am, we had to be out by our trucks at,
585、by 7 am. And we already knew what we were going on,
586、on our mission, we were told that at 7 pm the night before,
587、on the 8th of April.
588、The first things we do, was very normal,
589、was just routine behavior,
590、is just going to a pre-check, going uh,
591、preventative maintenance and
592、check your oil and check your tir-,
593、air in your tires and your fuel tank.
594、The soldier that was sketching a map with his boot
595、in the gravel next to his vehicle,
596、well uh, some of us saw part of it, some of us didn’t.
597、And they never, nobody ever told us why,
598、nobody told us what was going on and um,
599、they said the roads are red and I wasn’t sure what red meant.
600、We left the post uh, nearing 11 o’clock,
601、10:40, 11 o’clock in the morning, in there somewhere.
602、And headed on our way to Baghdad.
603、We’re going down the road and, and we got pretty close to the,
604、I believe the Abu Ghraib prison.
605、And all of a sudden, the traffic, there’s no traffic.
606、And uh, right about then, I mean, bullets came from everywhere.
607、It sounded like we were in a hail storm, it was like when you were a,
608、a kid and we used to make popcorn in a pressure cooker.
609、The temperature comes up and the, begins to pop.
610、They were coming in through my doors, they were hitting my tanker,
611、they were, they were hitting my windshield,
612、they were coming in through the,
613、hitting the engine, uh,
614、you could hear them come in through one door,
615、hit the other door where they lodged in,
616、and I mean, they were just coming in everywhere.
617、And then it just, it reached a crescendo
618、and it just seemed like never stopped after that.
619、And then I could hear the men uh, crying on the radio,
620、yelling out for help, I’m burning, I’m burning, help me, help me,
621、please don’t let me die in Iraq.
622、Truck behind me, the, his trailer caught fire
623、and he overturned and was trapped inside the truck and burned up.
624、I heard one yelling and, and screaming and, uh, until he s-, he stopped.
625、Friends that I had promised before that you know,
626、if they broke down or something happened,
627、I wouldn’t leave them.
628、I hear ’em screaming, I’m hit, I’m hit, help me, help me please,
629、I don’t want to die here.
630、I was completely saturated with blood you know,
631、and my pants were soaked with blood, my shirt was soaked from blood.
632、It was just absolutely just sheer terror.
633、Just absolutely, positively horrifying.
634、And I still feel, I s-, still have that shaky sort of thing in me,
635、that’s like setting here right now, it’s like I’m, I’m still there.
636、The mutilated bodies of four people
637、were found west of Baghdad near an area
638、where a U. S. fuel convoy was attacked on Friday.
639、After that attack, seven Americans were reported missing,
640、including uh, contractors working for Halliburton,
641、a company that supplies uh, fuel uh,
642、and other supplies to U. S. troops.
643、The families were notified today of the discovery.
644、Halliburton did release a statement saying, quote,
645、we at Halliburton are saddened to learn of these deaths
646、and are working with authorities
647、so the families can begin the grieving and healing process.
648、Two U. S. soldiers are missing
649、and also Thomas Hammel from Macon, Mississippi.
650、Saturday, April 10th, the Monday after I got the first phone call
651、from Halliburton and KBR.
652、”Steve, when you get back to base, please call me, I got a call yesterday,
653、saying that you were missing after heavy fighting in Mortex,
654、you and nine others. ”
655、- Is that sharpened? – Uh-huh-
656、And what are these rocks called again?
657、I forgot. Dad told us, but I don’t remember. Like shale?
658、I’m not sure.
659、I just turned 50 and it’s hard to have to you know,
660、reinvent yourself like you’re a teenager again.
661、When all your dreams go, things go out the tube.
662、So, he was definitely the love of my life.
663、He f-, he firmly believed that,
664、that KBR and Halliburton were gonna keep him safe.
665、I mean, he, he truly did.
666、He was very positive about that uh,
667、right up to the end, he believed he would be safe.
668、He wasn’t much of a writer, that’s for sure.
669、His journal’s empty.
670、My dad had just told me he was going to work for Halliburton
671、and how big they were and how they were there to help rebuild.
672、Somebody knew that they sent these wonderful men out there.
673、How can they do that? These men went to do the right thing.
674、So bottom line, they were totally taken advantage of.
675、I trusted the company, I trusted them, uh, this is a Fortune 500 company.
676、I, I, I just don’t believe they would send me down the road
677、that was closed or was gonna have hostile activities for sure.
678、I just, that di-, didn’t even cross my mind.
679、And U. S. forces here are saying openly,
680、they’re braced for more terror attacks, more bombing –
681、We had a significant anniversary, the fall of Baghdad.
682、We had a Christian holiday,
683、and they converged to create what was an obvious day of danger.
684、Halliburton and KBR had n-, news from multiple sources,
685、including multiple sources in the military,
686、that the roads that day were
687、under active combat operations
688、and were black, closed, and or red. No civilians.
689、They were sitting ducks out there in a military,
690、in military trucks on that day.
691、They told us we couldn’t wear camouflage or anything
692、that made us look like military.
693、The point was clear that we were not soldiers
694、and we were not to behave like soldiers.
695、He couldn’t even wear um, camouflage shirt on base,
696、let alone driving a military fuel truck out in you know,
697、the desert where there was a war around him.
698、Why would they send this convoy in camouflage trucks down
699、that road in the middle of battle?
700、It’s about contracts, I believe,
701、fulfilling a contract and replacing us if we died.
702、There’s a lot of different contracts being offered out there and,
703、and Kellogg, Brown, and Root wants most of them,
704、if they could have them all, they could take them all.
705、And um, they wanted to continue doing business with the Army,
706、whatever the risks were.
707、Was nothing but the money.
708、There’s no duty, honor, country, among anyone at Halliburton, KBR.
709、Halliburton, KBR, and some of these other firms
710、over there are staying over there and continuing to make profits,
711、big money um, and people are just uh,
712、at the cost of human life.
713、Their contract with the Army provided them
714、literally billions of dollars of revenue every year,
715、that the contract profit and the contract profit that they made
716、became more important than the lives of the men that they hired.
717、I think we’re talking about what’s right
718、and the fact that you sacrificed our loved ones,
719、our loved ones for your profit.
720、KBR killed, bagged, and replaced people.
721、They tried to do it with us
722、and uh, they killed my friends as far as,
723、as far as I’m concerned, and uh, they tried to kill me.
724、I know they know.
725、This is a case about Halliburton and KBR
726、trying to make a profit at time of war
727、and using civilians in an improper fashion.
728、Halliburton is in charge of seeing
729、that these men and their employees are safe,
730、sent these men out on April 9th, and knew,
731、they knew that there was more than a good chance
732、that they would be killed.
733、When people talk about, oh they, they gave their lives or this thing,
734、and I, I can assure you that they did not.
735、They were stolen from ’em,
736、they were screaming and didn’t want to go.
737、And there wasn’t anything great or
738、glorious about the whole obscene ordeal.
739、They didn’t die, they didn’t pass away, they were murdered.
740、KBR got billions of dollars worth of contracts in Iraq without a bidding.
741、Halliburton got the government contract without competitive bidding.
742、The case of Halliburton, most of the contracts
743、that they’ve received have been sole source contracts
744、which means they’re either given the contract,
745、it’s just offered to them,
746、or they’re the only people that bid on it.
747、A lot of federal officials will defend this,
748、saying that this is the only company that can do the work.
749、Conservatives especially who favor a free market system
750、should be outraged about the degenerate state of
751、the lack of competition in defense industry.
753、a top contracting officer at
754、the Army Core of Engineers,
755、alleges favoritism and rule breaking.
756、I walked into a process that was corrupt,
757、that was geared toward preferential treatment to KBR.
758、KBR was preselected,
759、the duration of the contract was predetermined.
760、Most blatant abuse that I had
761、experienced in my contracting career.
762、The American way is competition and I cannot sufficiently stress
763、that in defense industry, when it comes to the big programs,
764、there is not competition, it’s monopoly and cartel behavior.
765、It is corrupt, it is corrupting, it is corrosive to our national defense.
766、When we showed up, there’s nothing there.
767、Our customer is a private coming off patrol
768、who wants midnight chow.
769、And we’re there for ’em.
770、We’re doing the stuff that
771、you’ll never read about in the paper.
772、Everyone had to make a big adjustment over there.
773、I help with that.
774、We got 80,000 troops out of
775、the sand in 3 months, it was awesome.
776、I’m Ian Dolan.
779、My name is Jay Patterson
780、and I’m proud to work for Halliburton.
781、My name’s Ben Carter and within
782、the first week of being in Iraq,
783、I knew that that wasn’t gonna be
784、the company that I wanted to be with.
785、Halliburton was hired to provide clean safe cooking,
786、cleaning, shower water for the military.
787、One of Halliburton’s employees saw something wiggling
788、in the water in his toilet bowl.
789、So I went and tested the water in our s-,
790、water storage tanks,
791、there was no chlorine in them, none.
792、The water we showered in every single day
793、was extremely contaminated.
794、And when I talk about contaminated water,
795、I’m saying malaria, typhus uh, giardia, cryptosporidium,
796、I mean, the list is really, really long.
797、Halliburton is accused by its own employees,
798、of exposing troops to contaminated water in Iraq.
799、When I tried to notify the troops
800、that they may be exposed to a serious health risk,
801、I was told that the military was none of my concern.
802、They were only concerned with making their profit
803、and didn’t care how it may affect the troops.
804、Of the 67 water treatment plants that Halliburton run,
805、63 of them weren’t providing safe water.
806、And the marines are showering in it every single day.
807、S- , sorry.
808、I was there to help ’em, there’s a lot of soldiers over there.
809、They might come home without a bullet wound,
810、but there’s a lot of them
811、that are gonna come home with pathogens in their blood
812、because of Halliburton.
813、And they don’t even know to get tested for it uh,
814、unless somebody tells ’em.
815、And I’m sure Halliburton is not gonna be the company to tell.
816、When I joined Halliburton,
817、I knew I was gonna work on some big things.
818、We put out a few fires at work,
819、once ran into a small challenge of
820、getting some supplies for our troops.
821、But the biggest thing, serving our
822、troops good old American food,
823、so they’d feel just a little closer to home.
824、How come you don’t go to the chow hall?
825、How much time you spend on line?
826、- At least, at least- – An hour?
827、- An hour. – An hour for food?
828、Hour, hour in the sandstorm for food.
829、Tell me about that line over there.
830、What, what line am I looking at right now?
831、That line is for the chow hall, where you eat.
832、Several times dining halls were attacked.
833、All it takes is one Iraqi that’s an insurgent.
834、And because they knew what times we were gonna eat every day,
835、they knew when to expect to hit.
836、And that happens because KBR
837、won’t go to a 24 hour feeding schedule
838、where they just always have food ready.
839、They won’t do it because it saves them money,
840、because they get paid by how many soldiers they feed,
841、not by how many soldiers they save.
842、Feeding the troops.
843、The Pentagon has found some serious problems
844、with Halliburton’s work on that contract as well.
845、Pentagon auditors found that a Halliburton contract to provide food
846、and housing for American troops
847、had a staggering 1.8 billion dollars in unsupported costs.
848、It was all a scam, Halliburton was
849、charging $45 dollars for a six pack,
850、kind of like, coke or Pepsi,
851、that they give us in the military free in the mess hall.
852、Now these sodas were made right there in the desert,
853、it’s not as if they were brought over from the United States,
854、these sodas were made
855、with Arabic wraps, you know,
856、Coca-Cola, Pepsi-cola, whatever,
857、right there in the desert.
858、So it’s not as if they had an exorbitant transportation rate.
859、They had the, the little mobile units
860、that we had to put our clothes in,
861、like a net duffle bag,
862、Halliburton charged the government $100 dollars
863、for every bag of clothes they washed.
864、Whenever we got our laundry back,
865、it felt worse than when we turned it in.
866、Everything was still grimy.
867、I stopped taking my laundry into KBR
868、and instead I was washing it in the sink.
869、And I was told by my chain of command
870、that I was not allowed to wash my laundry on my own,
871、I had to take it to KBR to have it washed.
872、Even though we all knew that they were doing a horrible job.
873、Because they get $99 dollars a bag,
874、for a bag of laundry that I could do at home for $3 dollars.
875、The legal way of stealing from the government, our taxpayer’s money.
876、The Pentagon audit released last night,
877、they found the company is
878、overcharging tax payers.
879、Halliburton company billed tax payers for its contract work in Iraq.
880、It is your money that’s being used.
881、These contracts are managed under a system called cost plus,
882、which is the opposite of trying to save money,
883、it guarantees that everything
884、that you buy will be paid back and reimbursed
885、if it’s seen as justified, and you’ll be given a profit in addition.
886、A cost plus arrangement,
887、the critics say leaves little incentive to save.
888、The more tax payer dollars Halliburton spends,
889、the more Halliburton makes.
890、Cost plus encourages you to run up the costs of a program
891、because you are gonna get a percentage of the,
892、the end result and so there’s no incentive to stay at Motel 6,
893、stay at the Ritz Carlton uh, in Qatar folks.
894、The place that they chose for orientations in Kuwait
895、was a huge resort set right on the ocean,
896、had I think 3 swimming pools.
897、So it was better than the Wyndom in Texas or the Ritz.
898、It was fancied up.
899、Marble floors, mahogany woodwork, it was just beautiful.
900、They had Seadoos, jet skies they could use.
901、You could go and rent wave runners and go out and play in the water.
902、We were renting wave runners
903、and we got paid by the hour to do it.
904、I was told this, don’t question it, enjoy it.
905、Several government agencies are currently investigating
906、if Halliburton overcharged for work already completed in Iraq.
907、They had five star meals catered in every day.
908、It was so lavish.
909、Rows of vegetable platters, beef platters, fish platters.
910、It’s a cost plus contract.
911、KBR looked at it, the more money we spend,
912、that’s more money we get in our pockets.
913、We had it made over there compared to the military.
914、I mean those guys were living in tents
915、and we had air condition and private hooches.
916、The tents that we were staying in were completely moldy
917、and everybody was getting sick with respiratory infections,
918、they’re getting paid millions of dollars,
919、why can’t they even give us a tent
920、that doesn’t make us sick to live in it.
921、The soldiers are sleeping on these little cots
922、out in the middle of the desert,
923、while these KBR executives are driving these $40,000 dollar vehicles.
924、They and their secretaries
925、are driving at least a $30 to $40,000 dollar vehicle.
926、This secretary lives in this complex, eats her meals in this complex,
927、has her laundry delivered to her,
928、has no reason to go anywhere at any time,
929、but has a brand new,
930、top of the line Ford or Chevy pick-up
931、with everything imaginable on it that you could put on.
932、Chrome rims and leather interior and CD players
933、and all these extra amenities that you know,
934、you don’t really need in the war time.
935、Why do they need an H2 Hummer?
936、Why do they have Cadillac Escalades
937、in Iraq for Halliburton managers?
938、What is the purpose?
939、One invoice that I saw was for
940、about $7,000 dollars for one month,
941、for a SUV on a lease.
942、It was a three year contract,
943、comes up to uh, roughly $250,000 dollars.
944、A vehicle that you and I could purchase at the local dealership
945、for probably top of the line $45,000 dollars.
946、And to the taxpayer, he goes, yeah, $250,000 dollars,
947、and never did own the vehicle.
948、They got the wrong equipment, ordered the wrong stuff,
949、computers still in boxes, new vehicles,
950、’cause they’d push them out in what they call burn pits.
951、And they just set it on fire, claim it as a loss,
952、get more money for the right equipment
953、or the right stuff they needed.
954、Why would you need to order somebody else’s wrong equipment
955、just because somebody pays you to do it,
956、and you burn it and destroy it?
957、You got brand new trucks over there,
958、and there, y-, there’s not even oil filters.
959、So when the motor blows, what do you do?
960、Buy a new truck and bill the government.
961、$75,000 dollar truck,
962、they wouldn’t have a spare tire to fit it and we had to blow it up.
963、And they didn’t care, Halliburton didn’t,
964、because the government’s paying for it.
965、We knew that everyday that a vehicle broke down,
966、we would have to destroy it.
967、And these are maybe $80,000 dollar vehicles,
968、maybe $100,000 dollars,
969、you know, they’re expensive trucks.
970、We’re burning fuel in front of Iraqi people,
971、we’re not really doing anything to help
972、and we just have to follow the orders.
973、As a truck driver in the mail department,
974、they’d send me to these camps with one bag of mail.
975、Now that’s risking my life just to deliver one bag of mail.
976、To escort entire convoys where every flatbed truck was empty.
977、The allegations come from 12 truckers complaining
978、that the company was wasting government money
979、by running empty trucks on the convoys
980、and billing the government for them.
981、It seems senseless to travel up
982、and down the road and taking the chance of losing your life
983、when there wasn’t no purpose in it.
984、When you went up empty and you come back empty.
985、I went to make a better life for my family,
986、always have a roof over their head
987、and not have to worry about
988、where their next meal’s coming from.
989、It wasn’t that fun with him gone.
990、We missed him and all that stuff.
991、I couldn’t do stuff with him.
992、Didn’t have nobody to throw a baseball with, did you?
993、I was gonna take you fishing,
994、’cause mama scared you’d fall in and get drowned, wasn’t she?
996、I went over there and I got my health messed up and got shot,
997、braked, knocked down, everything else.
998、I felt like not only I can make a decent living
999、for my family and better myself,
1000、but I’d be doing something for my country,
1001、you know what I’m saying?
1002、I’m supplying to military and these guys
1003、where they can eat and help fight when they have to.
1004、But then you know,
1005、you’re looking and you’re going up and down the road empty.
1006、Halliburton’s charging the government
1007、for every camp they go by
1008、and your buddy’s getting killed for un-,
1009、for no cause at all,
1010、not even as much as a Band-Aid on the truck,
1011、that’s how Halliburton was making a killing,
1012、making their money.
1013、It’s a legal way of stealing from the American citizen and the military.
1014、Halliburton is accused of hundreds of millions of dollars in improper charges.
1015、Pentagon auditors have found potential overcharges of $61 million dollars.
1016、Now the numbers are apparently even larger than previously thought.
1017、Halliburton’s unreasonable and unsupported bills,
1018、exceed one billion dollars.
1019、And if anybody’s over charging the government uh,
1020、we expect them to repay that money.
1021、It’s been proven so many times that Halliburton has over billed them,
1022、and then the Pentagon still pays them anyway.
1023、I don’t know who it is
1024、that is protecting Halliburton.
1025、I don’t understand
1026、why the military would protect them.
1027、If you look at their board of directors,
1028、they’ve got contacts in the state department,
1029、contacts in the military.
1030、People who work for Halliburton once worked for the military.
1031、When you hire top Pentagon officials
1032、and when the Vice President is your former CEO,
1033、you’re going to get the access that other people don’t.
1034、It is reportedly not a coincidence that Vice President Dick Chaney’s old
1035、company got a huge contract to help rebuild Iraq.
1036、Time Magazine said it has gotten a hold of a Pentagon e-mail
1037、saying Chaney’s office coordinated Halliburton’s multi billion dollar deal.
1038、All the revelations came out about
1039、Halliburton getting all these fancy no bid contracts.
1040、There was not a single hearing in the congress, house,
1041、or senate about the mysterious bidding
1042、processes around Iraq and Halliburton.
1043、Um, that’s ridiculous.
1044、The oversight responsibility belongs
1045、to the United States congress.
1046、It belongs here and it’s not happening here.
1047、The senate should spend a little less time
1048、advertising allegations of wrong doing
1049、and spend more time talking about what is going right.
1050、And if anybody believes that
1051、the contracts handed to Halliburton for Iraq weren’t you know,
1052、i- , in the moral equivalent of insider trading, man, I s-, you know,
1053、I, I’ve got an ocean in the middle of Kansas I’d like to take you surfing on.
1054、I mean, it’s, it’s just phenomenal.
1055、I mean, of course there were insider deals,
1056、of course it was payback for, for old,
1057、old friends and political supporters and campaign contributors.
1058、They’re very strategic uh,
1059、in how they allocate their political contributions.
1060、You’ll see most of their money going to the committees
1061、that oversee military matters and funding for it.
1062、When you pay influence money
1063、in the form of campaign contributions,
1064、it means people look the other way.
1065、The U. S. Army announced today it signed a new contract
1066、with a unit of the huge contracting firm Halliburton.
1067、Yeah, the military fights for the guy
1068、next to you or the guy in the next foxhole,
1069、who you’ve trained with, slept with, ate with,
1070、spent all your time living with and working with.
1071、From the corporate side, it’s a question of,
1072、where’s the next contract coming from.
1073、Halliburton’s stock has quadrupled in value
1074、since the war began
1075、and tax payers are being ripped off.
1076、The people in charge say
1077、we want to give to contractors
1078、’cause they can do it cheaper.
1079、Well, low and behold,
1080、the evidence is now coming in and it isn’t cheaper,
1081、and we’re not actually getting what we’re paying for.
1082、We were uh, writing contracts with uh,
1083、Halliburton and others to do things that
1084、Iraqi’s could’ve done better and far, far cheaper.
1085、And by the way, we would’ve gotten Iraqi’s off the street
1086、and given ’em the jobs.
1087、Let us stop the war profiteers,
1088、let us say no to them and let us say, if you continue to,
1089、you’re gonna go to jail because that’s where you belong.
1090、My amendment would stop them.
1091、There hasn’t been a single major piece
1092、of contracting oversight legislation
1093、passed by the congress
1094、since the war began.
1095、Not even a significant amendment has been passed,
1096、despite all the enormous amounts of fraud and waste and abuse.
1097、There needs to be
1098、a special committee established,
1099、a bipartisan committee to take a look
1100、at waste and fraud and abuse.
1101、The amendment is not agreed to.
1102、The amendment is not adopted.
1103、And the Lahey amendment is not agreed to.
1104、If I had the heads of CACl, of Titan, of KBR,
1105、I’d say, what would Thomas Jefferson have to say
1106、if he saw the level of profit that had been included in a war fighting,
1107、what would Benjamin Franklin say?
1108、The government of the people, by the people, and for the people,
1109、is really of, by and for the companies that are getting the contracts,
1110、and that is not the American people.
1111、Raytheonand Parsons and DHP are not America I know,
1112、they’re greed goes against our grain.
1113、We have more and more money
1114、that are going out to these companies
1115、and less and less people watching the federal piggybank.
1116、We need greater oversight in this war even more than in past wars
1117、because this war has been privatized to a greater extent
1118、than any other war in history.
1119、I voted for some of these people, okay?
1120、Let’s see what happens,
1121、let’s see if anybody gets in trouble for this,
1122、let’s see how many people go to prison,
1123、let’s see who loses a contract over this.
1124、I know we have a battle ahead, from Lockheed Martin,
1125、to Dyna Corp and Bechtel.
1126、The profiteers are not going to easily transform into patriots.
1127、The people who have the money, the people who are making a profit,
1128、have a lot of power and a lot of money and a lot of influence.
1129、And so I think it will really
1130、take something big, a big movement here in the United States.
1131、You know, I love my country, uh, I’d stand behind it,
1132、I’m concerned now in a way probably
1133、that I’ve never been concerned before because I don’t like what I’m seeing.
1134、America’s become a, a powder keg I think,
1135、and it’s just waiting for a match.
1136、This Iraqi movement,
1137、how are you gonna win the hearts and minds of these people
1138、if they see you cheating your own people,
1139、if all this stuff is, it’s just for the money.
1140、Before we can point the finger at anybody else,
1141、we need to get the cinder out of our own eye
1142、and we need to clean house a little bit.
1143、I think the world really needs to know what’s going on over there,
1144、there has to be accountability and we need to stop it.
1145、I am a patriot.
1146、I love our country and I want our country to survive.
1147、And the survival of our country depends on us taking it back.
1148、Hi, could I have Tony Frederickson’s office?
1149、I was wondering if I could um, request an interview with Eric Prince.
1151、Uh, hi Kathy Mann, it’s Robert Greenwald
1152、and Amanda Spain calling from Los Angeles,
1153、we’re working on the film Iraq for Sale.
1154、We want to get Mr. Frederickson’s perspective.
1155、We’re really very anxious to have Halliburton and Mr. Lazar in the film.
1156、Uh, yes, Robert Greenwald and Abby Hurewitz here.
1157、We’ve discovered frankly, quite a bit of very troubling material…
1158、I thought letting people know
1159、that we found something critical would be fairer than
1160、just kind of trying to sucker punch them.
1161、- about Halliburton, KBR’s role in the war and the war profiteering.
1162、We’ll put the whole transcript from the interview up on our website.
1163、Hi Angela, how are you?
1164、This is Abby Hurewitz,
1165、I left a message with Lindsey Taylor last Friday,
1166、requesting an interview with Eric Prince
1167、and I was wondering uh, tomorrow?
1168、We really want to give you an opportunity to be heard.
1169、I know that it’s been quite a bit of time
1170、and you have not responded-
1171、I was wondering if there was anyone in your organization
1172、that would like to be interviewed to represent your company.
1173、Can I get, can I get your email address? Okay.
1174、Can you please put me through to her?
1175、Oh, I thought she was gonna be in all day.
1176、Remember, early morning, late tonight?
1177、This is my third call to Titan.
1178、This is Robert Greenwald and Amanda Spain
1179、calling from Los Angeles,
1180、I think we talked to you yesterday.
1181、Permission to make a documentary.
1182、Uh, yes, Jodi Brown,
1183、it’s Robert Greenwald and Amanda Spain calling again,
1184、it’s Wednesday, July 26th uh, we then e-mailed 5 or 6 times and-
1185、And that’s to get a, to get an interview with Mr. Frederickson?
1186、I put in a request to have an interview with um, Eric Prince.
1187、We’re just about at our deadline here-
1188、The reason why I keep calling is because
1189、we’re kind of under some time constraints.
1190、I guess Kathy Mann’s unavailable until Thursday
1191、and you’re gonna, someone’s gonna try to reach Melissa Norcross.
1192、Eric Prince is not available.
1193、Hello Mr. Prince, this is Robert Greenwald and Abby Hurewitz-
1194、I’ve e-mailed her like 5 or 6 times.
1195、The month of calling and e-mailing and talking has gotten us nothing.
1196、Jodi Brown, it’s Robert Greenwald and Amanda Spain calling again.
1197、Our film is going to wrap soon.
1198、We could interview Mr. Lazar tomorrow,
1199、Wednesday, Thursday, possibly even Friday.
1200、We still have time to interview Mr. London,
1201、we could do it in the next couple of days.
1202、Oh okay, I got you.
1203、Is that just a way of saying you don’t want to have anything to do with it?
1204、’Cause saying you can’t at this time over a period of a month just leads us
1205、to believe either you don’t want to do it
1206、or there’s something you don’t want to say,
1207、we don’t know what it is.
1208、Um, would you do me a favor for my, for my boss,
1209、will you just write that for me?
1210、Will a day make a difference?
1211、Will a week, a month, a year, five years?
1212、Okay, so y’all, y’all are, y’all are saying no.
1213、So you are definitely gonna turn it down.
1215、No, he said, no.